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==Apakah Suku Tionghoa Minoritas?==
Selama ini Rakyat Indonesia menganggap suku Tiongha merupakan minoritas termasuk kaum Tionghoa sendiri.Padahal kalo diliat jumlah penduduknya yg lebih 10 juta,bahkan ada yg mengatakan 30 juta,maka suku Tionghoa bisa dibilang cukup dikategorikan MAYORITAS.Coba aja bandingkan dengan suku Banjar 4,5 juta,Bali 5 juta,Bugis 4 juta,Aceh 3,5 juta,Minang 8 juta.
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:: Iya, saya sarankan untuk dikelompokkan ke dalam sub judul "Tionghoa Sekarang Ini" saja.[[Pengguna:Rintojiang|Rinto Jiang]] 09:18, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Halah, diskusi dari tahun 2005 ngga ada follow upnya sampe 2008, udah dirubah yah, walaupun tergelitik menaruh "de facto" diujung kalimatnya... [[Pengguna:Serenity|Serenity]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Serenity|bicara]])
== Batavia 1740, chinese massacre==
Sungguh sedih ternyata dalam bahasa english articel ini mengalami banyak usaha merubah nya menjadi hanya pemberontakan kecil (riot) fakta berbicara bahwa sungai saja berubah nama menjadi sungai angke.[[Pengguna:Daimond|Daimond]] 14:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
== Jumlah populasi aneh? ==
Menurut saya populasi yang hanya 1.739.000 (sensus 2000) harus kita ganti karena jumlah tersebut tidak masuk akal. Setidaknya bisa kita gunakan data perkiraannya G.W. Skinner tahun 1963, yaitu sekitar 2.5 juta orang. Bila tidak ada yang berkeberatan, maka akan segera saya ''ubah-suai''. Salam, [[Pengguna:Naval Scene|Naval Scene]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Naval Scene|bicara]]) 22:09, 1 Agustus 2008 (UTC)
:: Ya ubah saja.. [[Pengguna:Serenity|Serenity]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Serenity|bicara]])
:::OK, done. [[Pengguna:Naval Scene|Naval Scene]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Naval Scene|bicara]]) 19:10, 18 Agustus 2008 (UTC)
::::Yang tahun 2000 kan di referensinya data BPS, bagaimana mungkin populasi terus berkurang pada tahun 2000 dibanding tahun2 lama. saya pernah mau ubah data en: tapi ada yg keukeuh banget menaruh data itu di infobox dan sampai kini masih ditampilkan, yang Skinner juga udah jaman jebot kali. Data yang Taiwan masih bisa dipercaya. di en: dikasih jumlahnya masing-masing propinsi yang pnya populasi mayoritas dari link [http://books.google.com/?id=_A206FP_yDcC], kalo dari daerah yg lain ditiadakan bahkan kalo cuma ada misalnya 100 , 200 dsb misalnya, bukankah itupun kalau dijumlahkan bisa menjadi suatu populasi? (ini distorsi?). memang artikel ini butuh kepastian referensi data pemerintah (BPS). tapi cari data akuratnya kok susah sekali. di situs BPS tampaknya tidak ditemukan. [[Pengguna:02Wahyudi|02Wahyudi_Won]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:02Wahyudi|bicara]]) 03:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
== Agama ==
sebenarnya agama yg di anut orang Tionghoa mayoritas Kristen atau Buddha?
setahu saya kalau dari Jawa, Bali atau Jakarta yang saya kenal pasti Beragama Kristen, tetapi kalau dari Medan atau kalimantan biasanya Buddhis.
emang masalah ya?
== Galeri potret infobox ==
Excuse me for writing in English as I'm coming from English Wikipedia. Why are the portrait galleries from the infoboxes of articles about ethnic groups still allowed in Indonesian Wikipedia? It was banned with consensus long ago in English Wikipedia.<ref>[https://en.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images#NOETHNICGALLERIES]</ref> Even here in Indonesian Wikipedia, the execution seems disparate. Some Indonesian ethnic groups such as [[Suku Jawa]] have a staggering huge list of portraits, while others completely eliminated the gallery and followed the style of English Wikipedia. What are the reasoning behind the persistent use of portrait gallery, as well as the selective and patchy application of it?
For your information, here are the Indonesian ethnic groups with portrait gallery:
*[[Suku Jawa]]
*[[Suku Batak]]
*[[Tionghoa-Indonesia]]
*[[Suku Gorontalo]]
*[[Suku Minahasa]].
I've removed them but [[Pengguna:Herryz]] kept reverting them without any particular reason, and hasn't responded to my question on his talk page.
Meanwhile, here are the ethnic groups that don't have the portrait gallery (as of this moment I'm posting this topic): [[Suku Sunda]], [[Suku Madura]], [[Suku Betawi]], [[Orang Minangkabau]], [[Suku Bugis]], [[Suku Melayu]], [[Suku Banten]], [[Suku Banjar]], [[Suku Bali]], [[Suku Sasak]], [[Suku Dayak]], [[Suku Makassar]], [[Suku Cirebon]], [[Suku Jambi]], [[Suku Lampung]], [[Suku Nias]]. Actually it was me who removed the gallery from many of them, you can check the edit history. And don't get me started on non-Indonesian nationalities. It's even more patchy and selective. For example, on what criteria are the figures selected on the infobox of [[Bangsa Arab]]? Why is there no portrait gallery on the infobox of [[Bangsa Slavia]]? I can go on and on and on.
===terjemahan google (and my patchy edit):===
Permisi saya menulis dalam bahasa Inggris (dan ini terjemahannya) karena saya berasal dari Wikipedia bahasa Inggris. Mengapa galeri potret di infobox artikel tentang suku masih diperbolehkan di Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia? Ini telah dilarang dengan konsensus sejak lama di Wikipedia bahasa Inggris.<ref>[https://en.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images#NOETHNICGALLERIES]</ref> Bahkan di Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia, eksekusinya tampaknya berbeda. Beberapa kelompok etnis Indonesia seperti [[Suku Jawa]] memiliki daftar galeri potret yang sangat besar, sementara yang lain benar-benar menghilangkan galeri dan mengikuti style Wikipedia bahasa Inggris. Apa alasan di balik penggunaan galeri potret yang terus-menerus, serta penerapannya yang selektif dan tidak merata?
Sekadar informasi, berikut adalah suku bangsa Indonesia dengan galeri potret di infobox:
*[[Suku Jawa]]
*[[Suku Batak]]
*[[Tionghoa-Indonesia]]
*[[Suku Gorontalo]]
*[[Suku Minahasa]]
Saya telah menghapusnya tetapi [[Pengguna:Herryz]] terus mengembalikannya tanpa alasan tertentu, dan belum menanggapi pertanyaan saya di halaman pembicaraannya.
Sedangkan suku-suku yang tidak memiliki galeri potret ini adalah (saat saya menambahkan topik ini): [[Suku Sunda]], [[Suku Madura]], [[Suku Betawi]], [[Orang Minangkabau]], [[Suku Bugis]], [[Suku Melayu]], [[Suku Banten]], [[Suku Banjar]], [[Suku Bali]], [[Suku Sasak]], [[Suku Dayak]], [[Suku Makassar]], [[Suku Cirebon]], [[Suku Jambi]], [[Suku Lampung]], [[Suku Nias]]. Sebenarnya saya yang menghapuskan galeri dari sebagian besar ini. Anda dapat simak dalam riwayat edit. Dan apalagi dengan kewarganegaraan non-Indonesia. Ini bahkan lebih tambal sulam dan selektif. Misalnya, berdasarkan kriteria apa tokoh-tokoh tersebut dipilih di infobox [[Bangsa Arab]]? Mengapa tidak ada galeri potret di infobox [[Bangsa Slavia]]?
[[Pengguna:JahlilMA|JahlilMA]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:JahlilMA|bicara]]) 25 Maret 2022 22.57 (UTC) [[Pengguna:JahlilMA|JahlilMA]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:JahlilMA|bicara]]) 25 Maret 2022 22.57 (UTC)
== External links found that need fixing (Oktober 2023) ==
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I have found one or more external links on [[Orang Tionghoa Indonesia]] that are in need of attention. Please take a moment to review the links I found and correct them on the article if necessary. I found the following problems:
*https://www.culturaldiplomacy.org/academy/index.php?chinese-diaspora is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20210927053139/https://www.culturaldiplomacy.org/academy/index.php?chinese-diaspora to the original URL.
*https://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/12/news/indonesias-ethnic-chinese-find-a-haven-for-now-but-their-future-is.html is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20200910130907/https://www.nytimes.com/1998/12/12/news/indonesias-ethnic-chinese-find-a-haven-for-now-but-their-future-is.html to the original URL.
*https://dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/indonesians is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230326220015/https://dictionaryofsydney.org/entry/indonesians to the original URL.
*https://www.bbc.com/indonesia/trensosial-41736620/ is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20220929070237/https://www.bbc.com/indonesia/trensosial-41736620 to the original URL.
*https://www.thejakartapost.com/youth/2016/08/30/why-its-important-to-talk-about-chinese-indonesians-or-chindos.html is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230323021533/https://www.thejakartapost.com/youth/2016/08/30/why-its-important-to-talk-about-chinese-indonesians-or-chindos.html to the original URL.
*http://www.suaramerdeka.com/harian/0702/18/nas04.htm is considered to be dead, however has been found to be alive. Recommend removing the dead flag from the URL.
*http://www.sinarharapan.co.id/berita/0612/09/opi01.html is considered to be dead, however has been found to be alive. Recommend removing the dead flag from the URL.
*http://www.ocac.gov.tw/download.asp?tag=P&file=DownFile/File_9894.pdf&no=9894 is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20190107061833/http://www.ocac.gov.tw/download.asp?tag=P&file=DownFile%2FFile_9894.pdf&no=9894 to the original URL.
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*http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg36771.html is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230404054045/https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg36771.html to the original URL.
*https://www.merdeka.com/khas/geger-pecinan-saat-laskar-tionghoa-jawa-bersatu-melawan-voc.html is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20220922144825/https://www.merdeka.com/khas/geger-pecinan-saat-laskar-tionghoa-jawa-bersatu-melawan-voc.html to the original URL.
*http://home.iae.nl/users/arcengel/NedIndie/chinezenengels.htm is found to be dead. Recommend adding https://web.archive.org/web/20230307064313/http://home.iae.nl/users/arcengel/NedIndie/chinezenengels.htm to the original URL.
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