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::::@[[Pengguna:Hafidh Wahyu P|Hafidh Wahyu P]]
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>1) Yang bilang kalau Maryam (ibunya Isa) itu putrinya Imran dan saudarinya Harun itu bukan ane, tapi Al-Qur'an. Dan yg memelintir Al-Qur'an dengan mengatakan isinya cuma kiasan itu ya kamu. Sewaktu ditanya, di dalam ayat2 Qur'an mengenai warisan, kata yg sama digunakan (saudara/i إِخْوَةً | أُخْتٌ ), apakah berarti ane sebagai saudara jauh ente, berhak mendapat bagian warisan dari keluarga ente? Ente malah kabur dari diskusi dan memulai perang edit. Btw, ane gak pernah mengatakan Isa tidak sama dgn
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>2) Ane hanya memberikan pendapat dari berbagai pihak, termasuk dari pihak ilmuwan yg meragukan keberadaan Yesus ataupun Isa. Kamu sendiri ngambil dari pihak kristen yg menganggap Isa sebagai Tuhan, apakah berarti kamu menganggap Isa sebagai Tuhan?
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>3) Yang bhs persia itu gak ada semenjak pertama kali ane mengedit halaman ini.
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{{ping|Bennylin}} {{ping|Rachmat04}} Saya juga menemukan bagian bermasalah yang lain dari tulisan saudara Hafidh yg juga tidak memiliki referensi, seperti bagian:
{{Quote|Keyakinan bahwa orang yang disalib adalah orang yang mirip dengan Isa dianut oleh penganut Gnostisisme, Mandaeisme, Muslim, dan '''Kristen Jepang'''.}}
::: Bung Abyasabatara, saya bantu telusuri ya. Pandangan Gnostisisme dan Mandaeisme mungkin bisa juga dilihat dari sini --> [[:en:Substitution hypothesis]].
:::* Kalau ditelusuri pada artikelnya, pandangan Gnostisisme dikutip dari tulisan Bart D. Erhman (2005), ''Lost Scriptures: Books that Did Not Make It into the New Testament'', p. 82. Di buku tersebut dibahas salah satu codex Nag Hammadi, yaitu [[:en:Second Treatise of the Great Seth]], yang menduga Simon dari Kirene yang disalibkan menggantikan Yesus.
:::* Pandangan Mandaeisme disebutkan dikutip dari tulisan Paul William Roberts (1995), ''Journey of the Magi: In Search of the Birth of Jesus''; tapi belum ketemu kutipannya. Namun, saya ada menemukan [https://www.google.co.id/books/edition/Original_Christianity/cLJbFoCS4dsC?hl=id&gbpv=1&dq=mandaean+crucified+thomas+apostle&pg=PT214&printsec=frontcover pandangan yang sama] di tulisan Peter Novak (2005), ''Original Christianity: A New Key to Understanding the Gospel of Thomas and Other Lost Scriptures''.
:::* Mengenai Kristen Jepang, sepertinya bukan pandangan umum umat melainkan legenda di daerah [[:en:Shingō, Aomori]] saja, yang percaya bahwa yang disalib adalah saudara Yesus yang disebut "Isukiri", dan Yesus sendiri pindah ke desa Shingō, berketurunan, dan wafat di sana. Salah satu [https://www.google.co.id/books/edition/Japan_and_Christianity/0xG_DAAAQBAJ?hl=id&gbpv=1&dq=japanese+christian+jesus+aomori+shingo&pg=PA136&printsec=frontcover rujukan] yaitu John Breen, Mark Williams (2016), ''Japan and Christianity: Impacts and Responses'', p. 136; atau di [https://www.google.co.id/books/edition/Supernatural_and_Mysterious_Japan/P-pkCwAAQBAJ?hl=id&gbpv=1&dq=japanese+christian+jesus+aomori+shingo&pg=PA85&printsec=frontcover rujukan ini] Catrien Ross (2015), ''Supernatural and Mysterious Japan: Spirits, Hauntings and Paranormal Phenomena'', p. 85
::: Nanti kalau ketemu sumber lainnya, akan ditambahkan lagi. Salam, [[Pengguna:Naval Scene|Naval Scene]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Naval Scene|bicara]]) 31 Desember 2021 09.39 (UTC)
Dan penggunaan injil barnabas yang merupakan karangan Ibrahim al-Taybili di Tunisia tahun 1634. Padahal waktu diskusi di atas ngomongnya kanon2.
{{Quote|Dalam versi Injil Barnabas disebutkan bahwa orang pengganti tersebut adalah Yudas Iskariot. Disebutkan bahwa Isa dibawa pergi para malaikat melalui jendela.}}
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:Silakan bagian-bagian yang Anda anggap memiliki masalah didaftarkan di sini, akan saya periksa satu per satu. [[wikt:salam|ꦱꦭꦩ꧀]] ‑[[User:Bennylin|<span style="font:small-caps 1.3em Garamond,Times,serif;color:#772277;letter-spacing:0.1em;">Ｂｅｎｎｙｌｉｎ</span>]] <sup><small>｢[[Pembicaraan pengguna:Bennylin|cerita]]｣</small></sup> 6 Desember 2021 07.45 (WIB)
== Pandangan keberadaan Isa ==
Tolong jangan dihapus bagian tulisan yang meragukan keberadaan Isa, agar dapat dilihat dari sudut pandang agama & non-agama [[Istimewa:Kontribusi pengguna/125.166.192.57|125.166.192.57]] 7 Juli 2022 22.13 (UTC)
: Tambahan anda tidak sesuai/keliru, karena itu sudah saya hapus. Tambahan yang anda buat mempertanyakan keberadaan [[Yesus]] (''Jesus''), bukan Isa! Jadi tambahan itu kalau mau diadakan harusnya di artikel [[Yesus]]. Harap lebih teliti dan jangan dicampur-adukkannya dengan artikel Isa ini, yaitu pandangan Islam. Salam, [[Pengguna:Naval Scene|Naval Scene]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Naval Scene|bicara]]) 7 Juli 2022 23.25 (UTC)
== Permintaan penyuntingan halaman dilindungi sebagian pada 24 Mei 2023 ==
{{edit semi-protected|Isa|answered=y}}
Saya Pribadi Pingin Menyuting Tentang Isa[[Pengguna:Devita hartanty paramita|Devita hartanty paramita]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Devita hartanty paramita|bicara]]) 24 Mei 2023 18.47 (UTC)
:Silakank spesifik bagian mana yang ingin disunting. [[wikt:salam|ꦱꦭꦩ꧀]] ‑[[User:Bennylin|<span style="font:small-caps 1.3em Garamond,Times,serif;color:#444444;letter-spacing:0.1em;">Ｂｅｎｎｙｌｉｎ</span>]] <sup><small>｢[[Pembicaraan pengguna:Bennylin|negosiasi]]｣</small></sup> 22 Juni 2023 21.42 (WIB)
== Permintaan penyuntingan halaman dilindungi sebagian pada 26 Mei 2023 ==
Pihak Wikipedia , Tolong Di Hapus Yang Berkaitan Dengan Nama Yesus di Alkitab , karena Milik Kristen , Bukan Islam
Dalam Artikel "Isa" , Jangan Kutib bawa-bawa Nama Yesus Kristus Versi Alkitab !
Isa Bukan Yesus Kristus ,
Yesus Kristus Bukan Isa
Kristen Bukan Islam ,
Islam Bukan Kristen !
{{Nottd|Devita hartanty paramita}} 26 Mei 2023 23.26 (UTC)
:Ekhem.....Untuk alasan anda ini, saya mohon agar anda membaca [[Wikipedia:Sudut pandang netral]] terlebih dahulu. Di situ ada kalimat, {{kutipan|artikel haruslah ditulis tanpa berat sebelah, dengan mewakili semua sudut pandang secara adil.}} Jadi sudah tepat untuk menyebutkan Isa tidak hanya yang dikenal oleh umat Islam saja, tetapi menyertakan pendapat Kristen dan Yahudi. Terima kasih ▪ <sup>꧋[[Istimewa:Kontribusi/Fazoffic|ꦩꦣꦪ.]]</sup> '''''[[Pengguna:Fazoffic| <span style="color:#3D6D69;">Fazoffic</span>]]''''' <sub>([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Fazoffic|<span style="color:#0055FF;"> ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ</span>]])</sub> 24 Juni 2023 01.48 (UTC)
== External links found that need fixing (Oktober 2023) ==
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