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== Standarisasi ==
===Kimi ga Yo vs. Kimi Ga Yo vs. Kimigayo===
Mohon pendapat mengenai penulisan yang lebih baik untuk digunakan di artikel ini: ''Kimi ga Yo'', ''Kimi Ga Yo'', atau ''Kimigayo''? [[Pengguna:Naval Scene|Naval Scene]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Naval Scene|bicara]]) 02:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
:Dalam buku-buku lama, termasuk ''Glimpses of Unfamiliar Japan'' (Lafcadio Hearn) ditulis ''Kimi ga yo''. Kamus Jepang-Indonesia (Matsuura) menulisnya Kimi-ga-yo (tanda -, berarti boleh ada spasi). Alih aksara bahasa Jepang memang tidak mengatur kapitalisasi dan spasi.
:MOFA dan situs pemerintah Jepang menulisnya ''Kimigayo''.[http://www.id.emb-japan.go.jp/expljp_12.html] Kamus Kamus Kanji Modern Jepang-Indonesia (Nelson) menulisnya Kimigayo.
:Tapi kapitalisasi g dan y dalam ''Kimi Ga Yo'' kemungkinan dilakukan penutur bahasa Inggris, mengikuti cara menulis judul dalam bahasa Inggris (huruf pertama awal kata, huruf besar). [[Pengguna:Midori|Midori]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Midori|bicara]]) 10:54, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
OK, saya standarkan sesuai Kamus Kanji Modern Jepang-Indonesia (Nelson) saja. Salam, [[Pengguna:Naval Scene|Naval Scene]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Naval Scene|bicara]]) 13:55, 18 November 2009 (UTC){{br}}
Sekalian saya usul kepada pengurus agar artikel ini dipindahkan ke "[[Kimigayo]]", per pembicaraan di atas. Salam, [[Pengguna:Naval Scene|Naval Scene]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Naval Scene|bicara]]) 02:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
:Sip. Sudah dipindahkan. <small><br />[[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Bennylin|✒]] [[Pengguna:Bennylin|Bennylin]]</small> 14:31, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
===Terjemahan===
Adakah terjemahan dalam bahasa Indonesia yang resmi atau setengah resmi (misalnya dari Pusat Kebudayaan Jepang atau Kedutaan Besar Jepang di Indonesia)? Sejauh ini di artikel ini sudah pernah ada 3 versi terjemahan (lihat tabel). Bait satu dan dua ada perbedaan.
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''Semoga kekuasaan Tuanku'',{{br}}
''Berlanjut'' selama seribu (tahun), delapan ribu generasi,{{br}}
Sampai kerikil,{{br}}
Berubah menjadi batu karang,{{br}}
Yang diselimuti lumut.
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''Semoga kekuasaan Yang Mulia'',{{br}}
''Berlanjut'' selama seribu (tahun), delapan ribu generasi,{{br}}
Sampai kerikil,{{br}}
Berubah menjadi batu karang,{{br}}
Yang diselimuti lumut.
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''Andai Engkau (Jepang) berkuasa'',{{br}}
Selama seribu (tahun), delapan ribu generasi,{{br}}
Sampai kerikil,{{br}}
Berubah menjadi batu karang,{{br}}
Yang diselimuti lumut.
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Ada pendapat? Salam, [[Pengguna:Naval Scene|Naval Scene]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Naval Scene|bicara]]) 02:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
:Tidak :D Tanya sama [[Pengguna:Midori]] saja :D •• [[User:IvanLanin|ivanlanin]] [[User Talk:IvanLanin|♫]] 01:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
::Haha... saya berpendapat... kita tidak boleh memilih semuanya, harus pilih salah satunya saja. ;) <small><br />[[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Bennylin|✒]] [[Pengguna:Bennylin|Bennylin]]</small> 02:26, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
:Terjemahan resmi, maaf tidak tahu. Versi terjemahan yang terbaik: versi kedua (tengah).
:Sekadar saran, kalau masih juga mau diperbaiki:
:Terjemahan sekarang:
:''Koke no musu made'': Yang diselimuti lumut.
:made: (sampai, hingga) belum diterjemahkan, tidak ada kata yang berarti ''Yang'' dalam ''Koke no musu made''. Mungkin terbawa dari terjemahan bahasa Inggris. Tapi bila ditambah ''yang'', lirik menjadi bagus.
:''Koke no musu made'': Hingga diselimuti lumut
:''Chiyo ni yachiyo ni'': tidak ada disebut tentang tahun,
:''chiyo ni'': hingga seribu generasi
:''yachiyo ni'': hingga delapan ribu generasi
:''chiyo dan yachiyo'' juga berarti periode yang sangat, sangat panjang.
:"hingga seribu generasi, delapan ribu generasi" (hingga tidak diulang).
:"hingga seribu, delapan ribu generasi" (hingga dan generasi tidak diulang).
:Tapi belum menyambung dengan baris di atasnya
:''Kimigayo wa'': Semoga kekuasaan Yang Mulia.
:''Berlanjut selama'' dipakai juga boleh, asalnya mungkin dari ''Continue for...'' [[Pengguna:Midori|Midori]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Midori|bicara]]) 11:26, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
::Terima kasih, sekarang sudah saya sesuaikan sebagaimana sarannya. Salam, [[Pengguna:Naval Scene|Naval Scene]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Naval Scene|bicara]]) 13:58, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
== Templat ==
Bung Bennylin, tolong buatkan templat anthem (lagu kebangsaan) ''dong''. Sekalian bisa dipakai juga untuk lagu-lagu kebangsaan yang lain. [[Pengguna:Naval Scene|Naval Scene]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Naval Scene|bicara]]) 07:39, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
:OK. Maksudnya kotak info kan? Silakan {{tl|Infobox Anthem}} dipakai. Salam. <small><br />[[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Bennylin|✒]] [[Pengguna:Bennylin|Bennylin]]</small> 14:56, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Ya, betul. Terima kasih! [[Pengguna:Naval Scene|Naval Scene]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Naval Scene|bicara]]) 02:30, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
== External links found that need fixing (Oktober 2023) ==
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== External links found that need fixing (April 2024) ==
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