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== Pertanyaan dari [[User:Muhamad Junaidi lamaluta|Muhamad Junaidi lamaluta]] di [[Pengguna:Muhamad Junaidi lamaluta]] (28 Agustus 2023 22.25) ==
== Butuh penjelasan ==
''Assalmualaikum bang'' @[[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ''saya butuh penjelasan dari anda, Apa sih alasannya gak boleh cantum gelar akademis di nama tokoh artikel di indonesia ?? Bukannya gelar akademis tersebut telah diraih dari almamater universitas yang tercantum di informasi pribadi, dan kalo di infobox honorific prefix tidak diperbolehkan menulis gelar akademis, Hanya untuk menulis gelar kehormatan/kenegaraan (non-akademis) mohon penjelasannya. Terima kasih Wassalam'' [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 10.31 (UTC)
:Karena gelar akademis bisa diletakkan di infobox. [[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik#top|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 11.15 (UTC)
::kalo di infobox honorific prefix tidak diperbolehkan menulis gelar akademis, Hanya untuk menulis gelar kehormatan/kenegaraan (non-akademis) [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 12.26 (UTC)
:::Gelar akademis tidak bisa diletakkan di infobox, infobox hanya bisa diletakkan gelar kehormatan/kenegaraan (non-akademis) [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 12.28 (UTC)
::::siapa bilang? [[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik#top|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 13.40 (UTC)
:::::Coba anda baca di infobox di honorific prefix disitu tertulis <!-- Hanya gelar kehormatan/kenegaraan (non-akademis) --> [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 13.47 (UTC)
::::::Ya artinya gak boleh ada gelar [[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik#top|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 13.48 (UTC)
:::::::itu dia yang saya maksud artinya ya gak boleh cantumkan gelar di infobox, hanya gelar kehormatan negara saja boleh saja dicantum di infobox, makanya tadi anda bilang boleh cantum gelar akademis di infobox ini yang bikin saya bingung [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 13.51 (UTC)
:::::Silahkan tanya ke pak pengurus @[[Pengguna:Henri Aja|Henri Aja]] mengapa di infobox tertulis <!-- Hanya gelar kehormatan/kenegaraan (non-akademis) --> karena beliau yang menulis hanya gelar kehormatan yang dicantum di infobox, bukan gelar akademis. [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 13.49 (UTC)
::::::Dan henri aja bukan pengurus. Saya yang pengurus [[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik#top|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.05 (UTC)
:::::::Iya saya tau anda juga salah satu pengurus tapi jika menulis gelar akademis di bagian infobox henri menghapus title akademis di inofobox dan mengatakan di infobox harus cantum gelar kehormatan bukan gelar akademis [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.07 (UTC)
::::::::Ya tanyakan ke @[[Pengguna:Henri Aja|Henri Aja]] kenapa harus seperti itu. Itu bukan bagian saya yang menjelaskan kenapa. Saya punya acuan jelas kenapa. [[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik#top|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.12 (UTC)
::::::Mohon izin {{komentar}}: 1. Saya bukan pengurus. 2. Jelas {{xt|''Honorific prefix/suffix''}} tidak sama dengan ''Academic'', sehingga jelas kolom tersebut <u>tidak dimaksudkan</u> untuk mencatumkan gelar akademik melainkan ''honor'' atau ''honorifics''. Namun, ada satu lagi parameter aktif yakni {{xt|pre-nominals}}, tetapi berdasarkan rujukan di enwiki, kolom ini juga bukan dimaksudkan untuk menuliskan gelar akademik. Sehingga tidak ada acuan parameter untuk mencantumkan gelar akademik seorang tokoh dalam ''Infobox''. 3. Saya belum menemukan kebijakan di WBI tentang penulisan gelar tokoh di badan artikel atau pada kalimat pembuka (sebagaimana yang dicantumkam pada sebagian besar artikel akademisi, pejabat publik dan tokoh lainnya). Salam. <span style="font-family:Candara">[[User:Henri_Aja|🅷🅴🅽🆁🅸]][[User_Talk:Henri_Aja|<font style="text-shadow: 2px 5px 2px #7A7A7A;"> <small><sup>'''ngopi lur?'''</sup></small> ✉</font>]]</span> 27 November 2023 15.30 (UTC)
:::::::Itu dia tapi kata agus damanik katanya boleh mencantumkan gelar akademis selagi gak ada larangan di bagian infobox di honorific prefix/suffix tapi di dalam enwiki diperuntukkan gelar kehormatan dari negara saja [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 15.41 (UTC)
::::https://en.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography baca ini coba [[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik#top|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 13.46 (UTC)
:::::baca ini [[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik#top|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 13.50 (UTC)
:::::saya sudah baca di bagian infobox honorific prefix dan honorific suffix hanya boleh dicantumkan gelar kehormatan bukan gelar akademis [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.06 (UTC)
::::::Bagian mana? Bisa kasih ke saya? Mungkin saya kelewatan membahas perihal itu?
::::::When the subject of an article has received honours or appointments issued either by the subject's state of citizenship or residence, or by a widely recognized organization that reliable sources regularly associate with the subject, [[:en:Post-nominal_letters|post-nominal letters]] may be included in the main body of the article.
::::::The lead sentence [[:en:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section#Usage_in_first_sentence|should be concise]]: Academic (including honorary) degrees and professional qualifications may be mentioned in the article, along with the above, but should be omitted from the lead, as should superseded honors (e.g., the lesser of two grades in an order), and those issued by other entities (e.g., sub-national organizations).
::::::ini acuan saya ya [[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik#top|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.11 (UTC)
:::::::Silahkan baca dibagian Titles of people [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.12 (UTC)
::::::::Tunjukkan kalimatnya. Saya tidak menemukan pelarangan [[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik#top|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.14 (UTC)
:::::::::Honorific prefixes and suffixes
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:::::::::* [https://en.wiki-indonesia.club/w/index.php?title=MOS:PREFIX&redirect=no MOS:PREFIX]
:::::::::* [https://en.wiki-indonesia.club/w/index.php?title=MOS:REVEREND&redirect=no MOS:REVEREND]
:::::::::In general, [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Honorific_prefixes honorific prefixes] and suffixes should not be included, but may be discussed in the article. In particular, this applies to:
:::::::::* styles and honorifics derived from a title, position or activity, including [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/The_Most_Honourable The Most Honourable], [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/The_Right_Honourable The Right Honourable], and [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/The_Honourable The Honourable] (Hon.);
:::::::::* styles and honorifics related to royalty, clergy, and sainthood, such as [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Majesty Her Majesty], [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/His_Holiness His Holiness], [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/The_Reverend The Reverend], and [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/The_Venerable The Venerable]. Clergy should be named as described in [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(clergy) Wikipedia:Naming conventions (clergy)].
:::::::::There are some exceptions:
:::::::::* Where an honorific is so [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME commonly attached to a name] that the name is rarely found in English-language [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Wikipedia:RS reliable sources] without it, it should be included. For example, the honorific may be included for [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Mother_Teresa Mother Teresa].
:::::::::* Where a female historical figure is consistently referred to using the name of her husband and her birth name is unknown. For example, an honorific may be used for "Mrs. Alfred Jones".
:::::::::* The [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Prenominal prenominals] [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Sir Sir], [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Dame_(title) Dame], [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Lord Lord] and [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Lady Lady] are discussed in ''[https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Biography#Knighthoods,_lordships,_and_similar_honorific_titles § Knighthoods, lordships, and similar honorific titles]''.
:::::::::* In [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Burmese) Burmese names], honorifics may be preserved if they are part of the normal form of address, even for ordinary people. See [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/U_Thant U Thant] for an example.
:::::::::* The Turkish honorific suffix [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Pasha Pasha] is normally included in a notable person's name.
:::::::::The inclusion of some honorific prefixes, suffixes, and other styles is controversial. See [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(royalty_and_nobility) Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility)] for use in article titles.
:::::::::Knighthoods, lordships, and similar honorific titles
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:::::::::* [https://en.wiki-indonesia.club/w/index.php?title=MOS:SIR&redirect=no MOS:SIR]
:::::::::* [https://en.wiki-indonesia.club/w/index.php?title=MOS:DAME&redirect=no MOS:DAME]
:::::::::* [https://en.wiki-indonesia.club/w/index.php?title=MOS:LORD&redirect=no MOS:LORD]
:::::::::* [https://en.wiki-indonesia.club/w/index.php?title=MOS:LADY&redirect=no MOS:LADY]
:::::::::The honorific titles [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Sir Sir], [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Dame Dame], [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Lord Lord] and [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Lady Lady] are included in the initial reference and infobox heading for the subject of a biographical article, but are optional after that. The title is placed in bold in the first use of the name. Except for the initial reference and infobox, do not add honorific titles to existing instances of a person's name where they are absent, because doing so implies that the existing version is incorrect (similar in spirit to the [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(spelling) guideline on English spelling differences]). Similarly, honorific titles should not be deleted when they are used throughout an article unless there is consensus. Where the use of an honorific title is widely misunderstood, this can be mentioned in the article; see, for example, [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Bob_Geldof#Awards_and_honours Bob Geldof]. Honorific titles used with forenames only (such as "Sir Elton", "Sir David", "Dame Judi") should be avoided unless this form is so heavily preferred in popular usage that the use of the surname alone would render the entire name unrecognizable.
:::::::::Honorary knights and dames are not entitled to "Sir" or "Dame", only the [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Post-nominal_letters post-nominal letters]. Not all non-honorary inductees into an [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Order_of_chivalry order of chivalry] are entitled to use the pre-nominal titles, either, and may receive distinct post-nominals. For example, the [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Order_of_the_British_Empire Order of the British Empire] has five classes, each with different post-nominals; only the senior two are entitled to Sir/Dame.
:::::::::Titles signifying honours awarded by the United Kingdom (i.e. Sir, Dame) may be used as soon as they are [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Gazetted gazetted]. [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Investiture Investiture] is not necessary. [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.16 (UTC)
::::::::::yang mana yang ngelarang academic degree yang mana? Tunjukin paragrafnya [[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik#top|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.18 (UTC)
:::::::::::memang gak ada tertulis larangan untuk academic deegre di bagian honoric dan prefix tapi disitu tertulis honorific dan prefix hanya untuk gelar kehormatan saja contoh Sir, Tn Queen [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.28 (UTC)
::::::::::::Ya artinya gak ada larangan. Sekian. [[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik#top|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.33 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Meskipun gak ada larangan terjemahan honorific prefix dan honorific suffix itu gelar kehormatan saja bukan gelar non akademis [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.36 (UTC)
:::::::::::bisakah anda tunjukkan dimana letak academic degree bisa di tulis dibagian honorific prefix dan honorific suffix ? [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.29 (UTC)
:::::::::::An '''honorific''' is a title that conveys esteem, courtesy, or respect for position or rank when used in addressing or referring to a person. Sometimes, the term "honorific" is used in a more specific sense to refer to an [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Honorary_title_(academic) honorary academic title]. It is also often [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Conflation conflated] with systems of [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Honorifics_(linguistics) honorific speech] in linguistics, which are grammatical or [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Morphology_(linguistics) morphological] ways of encoding the relative social status of speakers. Honorifics can be used as prefixes or suffixes depending on the appropriate occasion and presentation in accordance with [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Style_(form_of_address) style] and [https://en.m.wiki-indonesia.club/wiki/Convention_(norm) customs].
:::::::::::Silahkan baca ini [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.32 (UTC)
::::::::::::Jangan membalikkan suntingan saya terkait penghapusan gelar tanpa ada acuan seperti yang saya telah berikan. [[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik#top|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.36 (UTC)
:::::::::::::bisakah anda tunjukkan di paragraf mana tidak boleh mencantumkan gelar akademis diluar infobox jika anda tunjukkan buktinya maka saya tidak balikkan suntingan anda [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.38 (UTC)
::::::::::::::The lead sentence [[:en:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section#Usage_in_first_sentence|should be concise]]: Academic (including honorary) degrees and professional qualifications may be mentioned in the article, along with the above, but should be omitted from the lead, as should superseded honors (e.g., the lesser of two grades in an order), and those issued by other entities (e.g., sub-national organizations).
::::::::::::::ini dibaca dong [[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik#top|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 14.49 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::disitu gak ada tuh menjelaskan larangan menulis gelar akademis diluar infobox yang saya cari larangan penulisan gelar akademis nya tunjukkan pada saya [[Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|Achmadimulyani]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Achmadimulyani|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 15.00 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Itu ada. Laramhannya. Omitted from the lead. Tolong dibaca. [[Pengguna:Agus Damanik|Agus Damanik]] ([[Pembicaraan Pengguna:Agus Damanik#top|bicara]]) 27 November 2023 22.16 (UTC)
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